i relly like what you said. My problem is that although I have left JWs long ago and I don't believe in God at all. I also don't believe in the world. I am extremely upset by the thinking and actions of people in general. I sometimes feel that I would be most happy in remote Alaska. The truth is though that what I really want is fellowship with like minded peole. I cant seem to find it anywhere. I am now 48 and sometimes I have feelings of desperation because I just don't understand the world I live in. Anyway I enjoyed reading what you wrote this morning. Thanks Jeff
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Post Traumatic Apostate Syndrome or (The Little Box of Madness)
by Terry inwhat tools does a duped person have?
intellectual damage is done once you are indoctrinated.. your emotional ties to your "spiritual family" form a bias to free thinking.. .
why should you make your life better by first making it worse?.
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The only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.
by RunAsFastAsYouCan inthe only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.. and when you throw away all of the layers of constructs.
religious mores,.
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jeff spreng
I don't want clever conversation. I never want to work that hard. I just want someone that I can talk to.
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The only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.
by RunAsFastAsYouCan inthe only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.. and when you throw away all of the layers of constructs.
religious mores,.
agendas,.
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jeff spreng
Having completely independent thought is often unacceptable. We don't live in our own bubble. Just being rejected can change the way one thinks and can cause one to rethink what one was perfectly comfortable thinking before the dis. Personally I have a hard time keeping to my own thoughts , I guess that is why we reach out to others. We try to validate our thinking by bouncing it off of others.
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working witnesses
by jeff spreng init is kind of sad to here about all the opportunities given to lazy people.
there are actually hard working talented people out there that would kill for a decent opportunity.
when i was in grade 1 my teacher actually came to my parents house to try to persuade them to let me go to an advanced class she thought i was a prodigy or something.
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It is kind of sad to here about all the opportunities given to lazy people. There are actually hard working talented people out there that would kill for a decent opportunity. When I was in grade 1 my teacher actually came to my parents house to try to persuade them to let me go to an advanced class she thought I was a prodigy or something. My music teacher thought the same and tried to persuade my parents. I also broke the middle school record for the 100 yard. My gym teacher wanted me to join track. Anyway instead of earning a scholarship and a degree. I have to here people say things like {Are you trying to make me look bad?} Or why are you so anal? So here my wife and I sit with no health insurance and no real prospects. I don't want pity but it sure would be nice to have a real life. It is amazing to me that few people care about what they do.{ I say few ,but I don't actually no anyone} I wake up at night when I have a complicated job. I try to think of every possibility and be prepared for it. I guess I am rambling now so I will close. Thanks Jeff
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Christians please answer something for me
by confusedandalone inor should i say some things.... reading over another thread and a number of other threads i have to ask, why are we making excuses for jesus / god.. how can you fathom and all powerful god who created the universe and all the laws that govern it was not capable of:.
1. making sure the proper pronunciation of his name is not available.
2. that all his teaching are not preserved in an easy to discern manner so that ther is no confusion.
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jeff spreng
I agree and feel the same. But the alternative is also quite disturbing.
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Is this really a place for Jehovah's Witnesses/Friends
by jeff spreng ini ask this because i was considering rejoining and the stories i have read only remind me of what was done to me.
is there any clean place to go where good people and fellowship can be had.
it sounds like maybe the people here should get together and start there own thing, like the reorganized latter day saints.
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Hi Jeff again. I was considering rejoining the JWs to answer one question. As to why I left is a long and horrible story{horrible for me] Why do I want to rejoin is complicated. I have no family and I have no friends. I guess I am an odd bird. I do however have a desire to have friends. I assure you I am not a deviant of any kind. I do not feel that I could be a Catholic or any other type of religion. I have traveled a long road and I am now 48. I guess I am tired of being a part of nothing. I do not wish to die this way. Maybe I was hoping to help others who have gone through what I have. Surely It cant be as horribly stupid as it was when I was a child. One of my worst flaws is that I hate liars. I find that people lie and misrepresent the truth constantly. I am not afraid to point that out to people. Hense {NO FRIENDS} . I am a passionate person that strives to do the best in all that I do. Hense {NO FRIENDS} I try to pollute the planet as little as possible. Hense {NO FRIENDS}. Do you see my problem? Thanks
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Is this really a place for Jehovah's Witnesses/Friends
by jeff spreng ini ask this because i was considering rejoining and the stories i have read only remind me of what was done to me.
is there any clean place to go where good people and fellowship can be had.
it sounds like maybe the people here should get together and start there own thing, like the reorganized latter day saints.
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I ask this because I was considering rejoining and the stories I have read only remind me of what was done to me. Is there any clean place to go where good people and fellowship can be had. It sounds like maybe the people here should get together and start there own thing, like the reorganized Latter Day Saints. Thank you for your response.
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Do You Consider Yourself An "Apostate"?
by minimus ini don't.. i consider myself a truth teller.. the watchtower society appears to be more "apostate" than even "christendom"..
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Am I a newbie?
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Do You Consider Yourself An "Apostate"?
by minimus ini don't.. i consider myself a truth teller.. the watchtower society appears to be more "apostate" than even "christendom"..
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Consequences of the cult? FEAR and PASSIVITY - anything else?
by BluePill2 independing how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice after leaving them for good.. i think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs.
once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.. like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional love and warmth.
all these things hide the fact that the same organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called fear and passivity.
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Wow, I thought this site was for fellow witnesses to get together for fellowship. I now realize this site is for disgruntled witnesses or ex witnesses. I don't really mean that. I am 48 and I have been thinking about rejoining. I guess I was looking for some support. I must admit that I am shocked to read all of these things. Or am I. Is there any true place for good people that has not been ruined with the same filth I see in the world. I am tired of being alone in my desire to do good. Is there any passion and intelligence. I know this is poorly written, so maybe when I calm down I can share my horrific story. I was hoping to do something positive with all the negative that has been put on me.